
From the Mall to Discord: Our Transforming Third Spaces
“Let’s all go to the mall!” A common refrain in my ’90s childhood.
From catching up with my friends at the food court, flipping through racks of CDs, and spending all my change at the arcade, my small-town boredom was often alleviated by strolls through the Frontier Shopping Centre. Fast-forward to the early 2000s: College bar culture was all the rage. FOMO (fear of missing out) had a simple cure. Never. Stay. Home.
These were my “third spaces,” described by sociologist Ray Oldenburg as spaces separate from home (first space) or work (second place). Third spaces are community domains like libraries, coffee shops, and parks, created to promote conversation and connection.
Since Greek Agoras (and earlier), third spaces have filled our innate human need to belong and socialize. If – like me – you grew up in peak mall and/or bar culture – you recognize the importance of third spaces. Our students, however, are growing up in very different times. Different spaces. Rather than malls (foreclosure centre!) or arcades (Fortnite, what?), our students now gather in digital third spaces like Discord servers, online multiplayer games like Roblox, and social media platforms. And in these spaces, participatory culture (as discussed in EC&I 831 class) has thrived. Unlike my passive consumption as a teen mallrat, my students are active creators – engaging in games, memes, and streams.

A little Iliad/Mallrats meme never hurt anybody. Photo credit: Reddit user ObviousTroll37 (what a name!)
Do our students’ digital third spaces work the same way as the ones we experienced in the long ago? In The Great Good Place, Oldenburg (1999) states that third spaces must exist on neutral, nonhierarchical ground, be playful, accessible and accommodating; a “home away from home” for those deemed regulars (source). And digital spaces meet some of his criteria – people can join freely (except for accursed, pervasive subscriptions these days), interact informally (sometimes too informally), and create niche, welcoming communities. But of course – as any parent or educator of today’s youth can tell you – these spaces create new challenges like mis/disinformation, filter bubbles, echo chambers, and inauthentic digital personas.

Just like Glinda, trapped in a bubble of our own making. Photo credit: StockPack
Rise of the Fourth Space: Digital Collaboration or Isolation?
More than the third spaces of yesteryear’s coffee shops or even chat forums, students today connect in a “fourth place,” hyper-personalized, algorithmic online environments. Social media reels and YouTube recommendations cater to individualized tastes more often than community engagement. Our local food court provides delectable diversity, but these evolving digital spaces offer us exactly what our appetites demand – censorship of opposing viewpoints; reinforcement of our current beliefs/interests.
This shift – from physical to digital, broad to niche – holds major implications for education and our youth. While I love the creative power of participatory culture (memes are life), transforming the average human from passive consumer to active creator, digital fourth spaces can be selective and isolating. Without critical thinking skills firmly in place, we (teacher and student alike) may retreat into echo chambers, shunning potentially uncomfortable conversations and diverse perspectives.
Educators In A Digital Space and Age
As educators in a digital space and age, how can we help our students navigate this new world of pandemic-foreclosed third spaces and emerging digital fourth spaces? Actively teaching critical digital literacy to our students (and families) is the hill I’m willing to die on! Online spaces are not going anywhere; we must engage with them head-on, purposefully and critically.
- I see you, filter bubble: At an old school Matrix level, students must be able to identify the 0s and 1s of the algorithms often shaping their current beliefs/interests. Seeking out and engaging with diverse perspectives – in person and online -fosters empathy and increased awareness.
- Cite and check, check, check your sources: Students need help realizing that just because something is posted online doesn’t make it true. In the rising tide of AI generated content and deepfakes, lateral reading (fact-checking and questioning innate bias) has never been more important!
- Balance, where art thou?: Online spaces and participatory culture provide new avenues for human connection. I will not argue this point, but nothing replaces the value of face-to-face connection. The science is clear, we are wired for physical human contact. As educators, we create opportunities every day for our students to discuss, debate, and collaborate in person (see Liljedahl’s Thinking Classroom design).

I’ll just settle right here. Meme credit: Imgflip.com
Final Thoughts
“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so” (Shakespeare).
Digital doomsayer I hope to never become. Our new digital fourth space isn’t innately good or bad, it’s simply… evolving. We have to evolve with it, teaching our students not only how to use digital tools but also how to critically engage in digital spaces. Online or offline, the end-goal remains the same for me: To create a “safe, level, playful, accessible, and accommodating” place where students can learn, grow, and connect. If I have to use brain rot memes and GIFs to do it, so be it!
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POINTS TO PONDER:
Thank you for reading. Please feel free to answer one/all the questions below, or provide your own feedback and insights.
- Do you see “fourth spaces” influencing how students engage/interact in today’s world – whether on or offline? How do you see this changing our role as educators?
- In your own experience, how have physical third spaces shaped the way you interact with others? What challenges and/or opportunities do you see for students in these more traditional, physical third spaces?
- How do you help students critically engage with echo chambers, filter bubbles, and AI generated content? What strategies should we use to help students (and ourselves) balance digital and physical spaces?
This is something I’ve also been thinking about lately. Funny enough, I actually went to a mall yesterday for the first time in about a year and couldn’t help but comment to the people I was with on how much things have shifted. It felt like the “third space” we all used to gravitate towards, where we could hang out, socialize, and just be. The mall used to be a place for connection, much like bars or coffee shops in the past. But as you point out, today’s students are more likely to meet up in digital spaces like Discord or Roblox, spaces that, while offering connection, also come with new challenges like misinformation or echo chambers. It’s fascinating to see how these virtual spaces have evolved and what that means for us as educators, especially when it comes to fostering critical thinking and balance between online and offline interactions.
Hey Karissa,
When you go out now, do you notice an overall lack of young people (no matter the setting)? It’s dawned on me very slowly, but I’ve started looking around asking – where are the kids? When I started teaching 15ish years ago, I couldn’t go out anywhere and BAM I would run into a student. Now that rarely happens, and my town isn’t that big. I do see students out with their families, but as far as kids travelling in packs (like I used to with my friends at the mall or movie theatre), it just isn’t the norm. My son keeps meeting his friends in Roblox after school = the new normal.
What a great post Kimberly. I really enjoyed reading about the switch from Third Spaces to Fourth Spaces. I went on my own little blast from the past journey, remembering what I used to do with my friends and how we connected or what our forms of entertainment were. I’ve commented on how different things are now, how students don’t physically see each other as often as we did, and how their way of connecting seems so limited to me, as if they’re missing out on so much. But who am I to say that one way is better than the other? I know studies have shown that today’s generations lack problem solving and conflict resolution skills- which is due to being able to hide behind a screen. And that although they can be connected in so many ways, and at a touch of a button, that so many teens report feeling isolated and lonely. I wonder if Fourth Spaces will somehow be able to help with these things, or else I fear our youth are at a serious disadvantage.
Hi Kaela,
After reading your comment, I remembered I was originally going to write about Meta and the intent to become the fourth space. Do you remember when Zuckerberg changed the company to Meta – the Metaverse – with the intent of it becoming a full-scale Ready Player One online meeting hub for the world? Not much has happened with that. I can’t say the world is better or worse than when I was younger; things are just different. If we look at tech use and fourth spaces as a scale or pendulum, I do think we have swung too far in one direction. Humanity naturally equals itself out, but whether I see that in my lifetime….who’s to say, There has been a youth movement toward dummy phones/less tech – called the Luddite Movement. It will be interesting to see how this progresses. I hope the pendulum has begun to swing further the other way by the time by children are in high school….or, as you say, our youth are left at a disadvantage.
Metaverse: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/28/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-meta-metaverse
Luddite Club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVG8-FanbAc
First I have to say that your mall picture caught my attention and then the Frontier Shopping Center! I also spent some time wandering through that building. You bring up many good points in this post and I agree with your point of view. I think it is extremely important for us to teach digital citizenship. As a parent I look at it through that lens and I can see the issues and the things that I will want my kids to be aware of and understand. I do have some concern with how much we have shifted to technology as our 4th space. I think that kids do lack a little bit of the personal skills but at the same time I don’t think those skills are quite as valuable as they once were. Overall I would like to see less screen time from a health standpoint but obviously technology is here to stay so like you said before, lets educate the kids!
Russ
Oh wow, you spent time at Frontier? Hahaha! That’s awesome. In its time, it was a truly awesome place. My older siblings tell me there was even an epic bar in there at one point. It’s a pretty sad-looking place now. I agree with your concerns about the online world as our fourth space. I don’t want to age into one of those old people who fight change, but I firmly believe in the balance you mentioned in your comment – tech use with equal (more) time away from screens. We have to educate children in this new digital space, but even more so, the families. I hope to see a community shift in the coming years that will provide tech-use awareness/education for parents. We are beginning to provide this in my division, but of course, it’s a two-way street – parents have to come to the events/classes.